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Jun 22, 2022Liked by Sotonye

Not sleeping for long stretches is definitely a kind of personal hell. You've probably heard of the importance of exercise and sleep hygiene for sleep, but on top of that, these three sleep supplements are often recommended:

- Magnesium L Threonate

- Apigenin

- L-Theanine

I track sleep with a Whoop and have noticed measurably better and deeper sleep since taking those three.

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Jun 22, 2022Liked by Sotonye

It is an interesting angle to contemplate the impacts of stimulants. However, coffee has been shown, repeatedly, to improve health in a myriad of ways (decreased cancer, decreased MS, decrease forms of heart disease, etc.) So a case could be made that humans are wired to have coffee be part of their lives chemically. And some of us are not really stimulated by coffee at all.

So I might separate some of the ADHD conversation from the coffee conversation. Coffee, a complex mixture of hundreds of biogenic amines, may just be in a category by itself.

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Good additions here, want to do more research on coffee

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Coffee does not come from a lab -- it grows from the earth.

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Jun 22, 2022Liked by Sotonye

I was actually on stimulants most of my life. For reference, I was born in 2000. My mother told me I had ADHD at around age 8 and would tell me what to say to the doctors in order to be prescribed. This meaning “I cannot focus on class” “Random things distract me” “I can’t remember when homework is due” “I always need reminders”, etc. Recently found out that was illegal and I probably suffered from anxiety. With that, I was prescribed vyvanse 70mg. The highest doseage. Stimulants made the world speed up and focus on what I was doing. I could literally spend hours cleaning with a toothbrush. With that in mind, I do not think anyone should be prescribed stimulants due to its amount of abuse.

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Holy cow - I was prescribed vyvanse for a bit and OMG children should never be given that!

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I was prescribed adderall in 2016, for adhd. It helped, at first, but my anger and hyperemotionality brought on by the meds did not help as much as I thought (at the time) it did. The anger and hyper emotionality undid all the good work of my new hyperfocus.

When the pandemic hit in 2020, I knew being a cracked out mess, while being in my house, would not help. I decided to take unemployment and take myself off the work wheel for six months to try and get off the medication, myself. I know this is not good advice for those who cannot imagine life without the meds. I don't think adderall helped me, at all, when looking at the big picture. I became less patient with others and myself, damaging a lot of relationships.

After six months of sleeping and eating (two things I did not do for four years) I found myself able to start to re-calibrate living. I now exercise up to two hours a day, and am now super rigid about it, my bedtime, and work schedule (I turn off the computer at 5pm). Also, I rely heavily on herbs now to deal with different issues in my menopausal body.

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Wow, this is wild. I had a friend once who became angry relatively often after taking adderall for a while but I thought it was a one-off thing and that didn’t interfere much with his life. I’m reconsidering all that, this makes me feel like I’ve been sort of blinded by the glowing depictions of adderall I see on Twitter etc. Can’t believe we give kids this stuff

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Yeah -- I'm pretty much of the opinion now that most things can be helped with natural approaches, outside of the pharmaindustry.

Giving it to children is legit insane. They don't need to be made still for 8 hours -- they need to be outside playing.

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I agree immensely. I think there is just a bunch of coverage about children being diagnosed with ADHD- now everyone thinks they have it. Or worse, every parent thinks their child has it. I was an active kid with an extraordinary imagination. Basically, I was a theatre kid and talked a lot. My parents despised it. When it comes down to it- vyvanse makes you obedient. On vyvanse I did not eat, barely slept, and was forced fed it until I became an adult. I would hyper focus on certain tasks and would get angry at myself if they were not finished- most of this being cleaning my parents home. Even with the teacher recommendations that are required when you have ADHD, including the 504 plans… There is still a way you can abuse that substance that CHANGES the way you think. I had to reprogram myself once i quit cold turkey. Don’t get me started with body dysmorphia caused by the abuse of this substance once you finally get off of it. I want this drug banned, but it is unlikely…

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Jun 22, 2022Liked by Sotonye

Been on/off prescription ADHD meds since I was 7. I've found it most helpful when I take a subclinical dose of ~1mg. I've done single-blinded experiments and the effect is definitely real and significant for me at this dose, not a placebo. Great for achieving the things you want in life. Bad for cultivating independent non-pill-based motivation/discipline.

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Were you having any adverse experiences when taking the prescribed dosage? What made you want to take a sub-clinical dose?

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I know I'm sensitive to psychoactive drugs in general (I like to say that I have an easily perturbable brain), so it made sense for me to experiment with dosage. At the recommended dose I'm more likely to go off the rails and get obsessively sucked into something unrelated to what I was trying to work on, and that might not even make sense, because I'm so flooded with dopaminergic "you're on the right track, keep going!" signals. At the lower doses I get the energy+motivation+flow state without my thoughts running away without me.

Also realized that I forgot to specify that the 1mg amount was with Adderall, where the minimum prescribed dose is 5mg.

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Jun 22, 2022Liked by Sotonye

I track my sleeping with an Oura ring.

I do not drink coffee after 11am, otherwise my sleep is not as good.

I sometimes (like two or three times a month) take Melatonin or Magnesium. I usually sleep almost 8 hours a night.

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30-something mom here, I think I can explain the boost in women taking these meds. I know some of other moms taking ADHD meds to get through the day. It's very hard to work a full time job, and then come home and spend 4 hrs feeding, bathing and putting small kids to bed.

To be frank, if you are a normal person with a normal tolerance for stress, doing this every day is almost impossible, and some people will take drugs to get it done. Taking drugs might even be better than the alternative (yelling at your kids because you're tired, letting them pass out in front of the TV instead of giving them a proper bedtime).

I would prefer a world where moms didn't have to work so hard (and had more support from extended family) but this is the world we live in.

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